Tito Ortiz vs Lyoto Machida Video- UFC 84

Saturday, May 24, 2008

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24 comments:

Anonymous said...: OH man Lyoto just gets better and better with each and coming bout. Close one at the end, I thought it was over for sure when that triangle and arm bar hit. Man he's so good at everything...thanks for the vids...love your site!; May 24, 2008 11:20 PM
Polpov said...: Yves Lavigne has some impressive takedown defense 8); May 24, 2008 11:20 PM
reefpirate said...: Right on, Lyoto! Awesome fight. I love how people boo, and Tito starts to whine about him "running" all the time, then next thing you know Tito is running into a knee in the face! haha, and ya, nice moves Yves! I think his shadow won that match :); May 24, 2008 11:54 PM
Tony said...: Annoying to watch.. you can't blame Machida, but you gotta hate his style. Damn.. I wish he got him with that triangle...; May 25, 2008 12:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Machida made one mistake. When he knocked down tito, he jumped into his guard instead of going into side or fully mounting him. Then he could have ended it with a TKO.

Yeah, Machida is some kind of weird fighter. Sort of lulls you to sleep and then buzzes in with stinging younameits.; May 25, 2008 12:33 AM
Crisgee said...: Another decision by Lyoto Machida. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. I don't think he made the most out of fighting Tito Ortiz. He has beaten Rich Franklin, Stephan Bonnar, and BJ Penn, but he still doesn't seem like he's a bankable main eventer.

Now UFC's gotta look for another guy to feed to him in hopes of making a superstar out of him. Getting tiring. Good job for winning, but please go and finish fights and make it all worth our money.; May 25, 2008 12:34 AM
csreeves said...: I love it!

Dude is 12-0, keeps fighting his style of fight (regardless of opponent), beats a legend (in his own mind) in his last UFC fight (which should have given Tito a ton of reason to perform well), and quite frankly made Tito look slow and stupid.

Question: How many punches did Tito throw that didn't come within one FOOT of Lyoto? How many takedowns did the amazing wrestler get in this fight? And finally, when was the last time you saw a knee to the body that powerful?

For all those that "hate" his style...I bet you'd kill for his win-loss record (not to mention his ability to dictate HOW the fight is going to take place).; May 25, 2008 4:49 AM
Johnny said...: F'n Americans, what the hell is with the boos? Machida actually practices the art of karate which takes patience and grace, and people are booing at it? Damn crowd only wants to see a brawl and not a man with a very high level of true skills. Simply because the guy is avoiding getting hit and taken down, people can't stand it. Lyoto is the man and true practitioner of mixed martial arts. Emphasis on the ARTS.

But yes, someone like Machida should only fight in 5 rounds since you know he's never gonna go into a fight throwing wild punches and going for the home run. He'll pick you apart slowly while totally avoiding any damage to himself.; May 25, 2008 4:50 AM
Anonymous said...: goodbye tito...

not a great match and tito had a chance with the triangle

i'm not sad to see tito go..i've had enough of him calling himself a smart businessman...a good ass whipping did him good; May 25, 2008 8:04 AM
mcj said...: lyoto = most boring UFC fighter; May 25, 2008 11:27 AM
Anonymous said...: AMen. Machida is like a scientist conducting experiments, and no one can seem to crack him. It'll be interesting to see if anyone can draw him into their game.; May 25, 2008 12:45 PM
Reformed Servant said...: I dont care what Rogan or anyone else says, I hate watching Lyoto fighting. I hope he breaks his leg or something so he can't fight. I like to watch them on the internet so I can fast forward to the end...

I am going to make a website, I HATE MACHIDA.

Having said that, I didn't think Tito had a fair chance, Lyoto is way too evasive and fast.

Props to Lyoto, he is good at winning decisions. Even if he is the most boring fighter on earth.

I want him to fight Wandi so he can get torn into by an animal.; May 25, 2008 5:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Like his style or not, a great win for Machida. He went in with a game plan, fought his fight and made Tito look like a rookie. Like it's been said before, but holds true "It's hard get up early and train when you sleep in silk pajamas!"...The question is, When will Tito get a win over a decent fighter? I say put him on the undercard until he proves that he is worth the money he wants or maybe he should just become a fake pro wrestler where his next victory can be predicted.; May 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Boring. Another decision. If his style is so awesome, then please, please, please, use it to FINISH fights.; May 25, 2008 9:02 PM
Anonymous said...: I've been watching the progress of the ufc, wondering whether it wil go the route of a national sport, or turn into some bullshit entertainment gig like the WWE. Well, with all the fake pre fight drama, and all of the ex-Hulkamaniacs yelling "Lyoto's boring... he needs to learn how to finish a fight.", it looks like UFC has gone the route of tight pants, face makeup, and pleather boots. Not to mention that Dana recently hired one of the former media guys from WWE. This country needs to remove the mass media suppository from it's ass and remember that these are actual people fighting and not figments of our imagination whom are supposed to act according to our opinions.

My oinion - it's refreshing to see someone use technique and patience to conquer brute force and overblown emotion.; May 26, 2008 11:27 AM
Anonymous said...: Excelent strategy of LYOTO THE DRAGON MACHIDA! We love you and you eficient style of fight!!

SOUKODJOU, FRANKLIN, B.J PENN, HENDERSON.... WHO IS THE NEXT??

LYOTO AND OTHER BRAZILIAN FIGHTERS RULES THIS UFCSHIT.... :>

GORDOGABRIEL.; May 26, 2008 3:04 PM
Anonymous said...: MACHIDA VS LYDELL??

MACHIDA VS JACKSON?

I PUT MY MUDAF##CK MONEY $$$ ON MACHIDA....

SORRY AMERICANS!! GORDOGABRIEL; May 26, 2008 3:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Thiago Silva would manhandle Machida. True story.; May 27, 2008 8:46 AM
Anonymous said...: I find Machida to be very interesting to watch. The people that watch this sport primarily to see knock outs suck. His technique is one of the more interesting i've seen. This was probably the most entertaining fight of the night in my eyes.; May 27, 2008 1:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Machida's style only is interesting because he's doing it. If everyone was doing it, think of how boring it would be. Rules of engagement would have to be implemented. Perhaps if the stand-up is boring the ref could, maybe, put them on the ground, ha,ha. Anyway his style can be compared with Tunney against Dempsey. Tunney wins by decision but gains no respect because he's winning defensively. I have lots of respect for Machida, but lots of Machidas would make for boring fights, more like boring boxing matches. I don't need to see knockouts, just that active engagement makes for more fun. However, that being said, what makes Machida really interesting is his ability to go from this defensive, counterpunching, quickly into stunning knockouts of powerplays--Tito was so saved by the bell.; May 27, 2008 9:42 PM
Essesntial said...: Just a quick comment this time.

This train of comments is pleasing to hear: people respecting the ART of Martial Arts over thugs who brawl.

I agree that most fans want the brawl because they will then get their violence-fill, but folks like Machida, Anderson Silva, and Cung Le are proving that you need to be a complete Martial Artist to become a true champion in cage fighting. Props to the fellow who mentioned that these are real people fighting and not overblown personas in a WWE match.

Oh, and all it takes is one, clean strike to KO anybody, including an elusive Machida. Would you want to be punched in the face by a highly-trained athlete? Look what happened to Jardine (amongst many others who want to brawl).; May 28, 2008 10:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Of course it would be boring if every one was doing what machida is doing (It would be really hard to mimic it). But their not, that's what makes it exciting. You can't base your judgment on "what ifs". What he's doing is almost a completely new style if only just in the way he moves.

A lover of martial arts as a whole would thoroughly enjoy watching him. I can see him being one of the most difficult competitors in the future.

I just hope he keeps getting matches with the UFC. I could see him not getting a lot of matches because he's not exciting to blood craving jocks.; May 30, 2008 11:23 AM
Anonymous said...: Looking at Machida through a Tigers Eye

I've seen many posts on this group recently about Machida and the questions over his "karate style/base". And why its clear that many of you have a good understanding of MMA and are not simply casual fans; it would also appear that many (not all) of you have little if any knowledge/first hand experience of real karate training, would that be fair to say?

I have been teaching/training shotokan karate for 15 years and watching UFC since Nov 12th 1993. Through my karate back ground I completely understand why Machida is said to fight MMA from a karate base and would like to share my view point to help explain this a little better. Clearly his ground game, clinch game, take downs etc are all part of his BJJ, Sumo and MMA training and have very little to do with karate. What is heavily influenced by his karate is his striking.

Firstly let me point out that many standard punches and kicks that are taught in kick boxing, mauy thai etc are also taught in Karate; this mainly includes but is not limited to Jab, Cross, back fist, hammer fist, front kicks, side kicks, roundhouse kicks, some elbows and knees etc. These techniques alone do not mean Machida has a "karate style" as they are taught in many other styles. This is however the reason that many people simply think Machita is just kickboxing/thai boxing etc.

What needs to be focussed on is the non-common elements of Machida's striking style in order to clearly see his karate base. And I'm not taking about the few switch kicks he through against Tito (which are practised in other styles anyway), I'm also not talking about the misconception of the "karate-chop" or "crane-kick" etc. In fact what makes Machida's striking karate based are not the single techniques at all but his movement, distance control, timing and when/how those standard techniques are used/put together etc. Unless you have practised karate to a intermediate/advanced level it is very difficult to understand what I mean so I have provided some examples below to help explain:

1: Machida's Distance: Point karate is fought at an increased distance to that of other striking styles, this is due to the fact you can't take a strike to give one/two back, because once each point is scored the action is reset. This leads people to believe Machida is running/avoiding striking, when he is simple jockeying for is own distance, a distance which he as become far more effective at through years of point karate sparring/fighting. Obviously because most MMA fighters do not train in karate they are also often uneffective at this distance.

2: Machida's Range: Because point karate is fought at this increased distance the ability to be able to move quickly into range strike effectively and move out has to become second nature. Like all aspects of fighting this is only something that is acquired through years of dedicated practice. Again because other MMA fighters do not have these years of practice behind them they therefore find it very difficult to read and deal with.

3: Machida's consistent faking: Again in point karate it is common to setup your striking with many faint shots rather than engaging immediately and risk being scored on. Machida constantly does this in a common way practised in karate, by a quick flick of his hip and shoulder to give the impression he is about the throw. This is used in the same way a fighter with a wrestling base will change levels to give the impression they are about to shot.

Obviously anyone competing in MMA has to be very well rounded in order to be successful, and Machida does have many other elements to his striking other than a karate base. But it is this movement and timing that Karate can offer MMA and it should not be misunderstood or overlooked. No, Karate like any single discipline will never dominant MMA in the future but every fighting style from Capoeira to Kung-fu has something unique and effective to offer. We as fans need to educate our selves regarding these newer elements when a fighter introduces them, just as we had the do with BJJ etc in the beginning.; June 9, 2008 6:52 AM
G-Off said...: Excellent analysis above. Machida's done what no one else ever has, made point sparring applicable to actual fighting.

However, I'd disagree that all styles have something to offer in terms of fighting. For example, Aikido is bullshit, and will never be useful, ever, ever, ever. Same with Dim Mak. Before anyone points to Machida's sweeps of Nakamura as "Aikido," let me remind you that's a common sweep in both Shotokan and Sumo (styles Lyoto is highly trained in ), and that he has never trained in Aikido for any length of time, as far as I know.

And there are certainly styles that are far more consistently useful than others. There is a reason there's only one Lyoto Machida and that he's the only one to ever make point sparring work.

I do hope someday Lyoto develops a killer instinct on the feet. When he knocks someone down, he jumps on them and goes nuts with GnP (which is how he got caught in the triangle), but doesn't let his hands go in the same way when someone's hurt but standing.; August 24, 2008 6:49 PM